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                    though, the pringles can <I>isn't</I> metal and =
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                    doesn't work the way you'd expect that design to =
work. the=20
                    cantenna page has more details on it. i think that's =
why the=20
                    pringles works well directionally as better than the =

                    internal card antennas omni... did that make sense? =
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                    <I>Originally posted by ZipperSeven =
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                    actually think that the link you have was the link =
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                    inspired us to build the pringles can. As to=20
                    the...hmmmm....'dildo-tenna', seems like it could =
work, but=20
                    it's not a waveguide with no outer metal shell, and =
so=20
                    diameter doesn't matter (as long as the element is =
centered=20
                    correctly). The key pieces in the pringles cantenna =
are the=20
                    internal structure, as g0tr00t's pimp tight picture =
shows.=20
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                  </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I believe I have read otherwise =
on the=20
                  theory behind these cantenna's... I thought I read =
that a=20
                  casing of metal was not necessary for these since it =
was based=20
                  on the internals, their construct, shape, spacing =
etc.. the=20
                  pringles can does not allow for the ideal mechanics of =
the=20
                  wavelength... and so I thought perhaps something =
similar but=20
                  larger may.</FONT>
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i?attachment_id=3D37613&amp;native_or_pdf=3Dpdf</A><BR>looks=20
                  kind of guerrilla.net's 2nd collinear design,=20
                  no?<BR><BR>Lucent Yagi. antenna innards are somewhere =
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                  thread). maybe that's just a copycat?<BR><BR>Avaya =
PCCARD=20
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to=20
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magnet are=20
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the=20
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                    drag.<BR><BR>2) i noticed you left the outer lips =
off the=20
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                    gain.<BR><BR>3) the collinear design has a kind of =
squashed=20
                    donut pattern when you put it vertical, so it =
definitely=20
                    isn't omni when you mount it horizontally. but i'm =
having=20
                    trouble picturing how it attaches to your mount=20
                    horizontally...from the design it looks like it =
would mount=20
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                    signal/noise/snr do you get between the toothpick =
&amp;=20
                    g.net antennae? i'm still trying to decide if it's =
worth the=20
                    trouble building one of those fancy ones. part of my =

                    reluctance is also because i can't figure out how =
they came=20
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chance=20
                    would u mind doing some controlled studies of the =
antennae=20
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magnet,=20
                  but it wasn't strong enough. I found "pot magnets" =
(for=20
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despot that=20
                  are much stronger. <BR><BR>2. Yeah, the biquad was so =
easy to=20
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tried it=20
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but the=20
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comtel for=20
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picture shows=20
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mounted=20
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on the=20
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I run=20
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crimp=20
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do this=20
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build and a=20
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quick=20
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month ago. I=20
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before. I=20
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the=20
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proper test=20
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collinears=20
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inexpensive=20
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the=20
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it was a=20
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